tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8221901955641373488.post6183715383398696140..comments2024-03-20T07:12:19.838+00:00Comments on A VIEW FROM HAM COMMON: Frew, comments section in The New Statesman and @casbo28 - this one's for you. (Everyone else please read it too mind)Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8221901955641373488.post-58172834472888759422011-09-21T15:07:56.131+01:002011-09-21T15:07:56.131+01:00Hi - the problem before was that , even worse than...Hi - the problem before was that , even worse than Lib Dems and Tory policies being seen as identical, for much of the first year all bad news seemed to have a Lib Dem only label.<br /><br />I think the issue you highlight is a good one - and could be solved by approaching coalition negotiations rather more like this...<br /><br />http://aviewfromhamcommon.blogspot.com/2011/09/lets-not-just-do-it-in-public-lets-do.htmlRichard Morrishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03546947405923306990noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8221901955641373488.post-10434689079118573002011-09-21T14:44:51.066+01:002011-09-21T14:44:51.066+01:00Richard, the above comment is rather more forthrig...Richard, the above comment is rather more forthright than I (Caro) was meaning to be in my comment on your article in answer to Frew. Apologies for repeating myself but I have been genuinely puzzled by many Lib Dems expecting the party in government to be able to stick absolutely to policies in the Lib Dem manifesto without the need to compromise, though the party's avowed aim is for a type of voting system that would always lead to coalitions, and these can't work without compromise. I, like many people, was pleased at the idea of a coalition, feeling that the Lib Dems would temper the more extreme Conservative policies and vice versa. If the party is still interested in changing the voting system to proportional representation then I would have thought it was in the Lib Dems' interests to show that coalitions can work well, or the electorate will never want to try another one.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8221901955641373488.post-13908989533569453692011-09-21T12:37:56.290+01:002011-09-21T12:37:56.290+01:00No, you're right. I was thinking that Frederi...No, you're right. I was thinking that Frederick James' comment was by Frew, ie. "Caro deftly puts her finger on the contradiction at the heart of the entire LibDem proposition: we like coalitions, we like consensus politics, New Politics if you will; but ask us to put it into practice and we will whinge, abuse our coalition partners, renege on agreements and generally act like small children unfit to be anywhere near the levers of power. An utterly useless, unprincipled and pointless party - this was of course evidently true before the general election but it is demonstrably so now. Farron will be an apt leader for what's left of them."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8221901955641373488.post-31966024138041575512011-09-21T12:30:40.131+01:002011-09-21T12:30:40.131+01:00which point did you mean exactly? I think the seco...which point did you mean exactly? I think the second one is the 'Tory policies unchecked one' - which i did address? or is there something else?Richard Morrishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03546947405923306990noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8221901955641373488.post-8667893615755932612011-09-21T12:20:33.516+01:002011-09-21T12:20:33.516+01:00How about commenting on Frew's second point?How about commenting on Frew's second point?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8221901955641373488.post-16379726533748809372011-09-21T11:47:15.965+01:002011-09-21T11:47:15.965+01:00Good post. i like Frew's comment. I'm not ...Good post. i like Frew's comment. I'm not entirely sure what Frew thought as LibDem values. <br /><br />Our main core value is based on game theory which states that the best decision comes from our own self -interest as well as the best interests of the group as a whole.<br /><br />How exactly we betrayed that value by going into coalition with a party whose ideology is purely based on self interest - I don't know. <br /><br />We would have betrayed it equally to go into coalition with a party whose ideology is group interest above all else. (that might be a strange way to describe Labour)<br /><br />We are eqidistant from Labour and the Tories. I'm not sure we've been the best at communicating that principle.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8221901955641373488.post-61126844540403402782011-09-21T11:35:23.891+01:002011-09-21T11:35:23.891+01:00I think it is time for Nick to say sorry:
http://...I think it is time for Nick to say sorry:<br /><br />http://livingonwords.blogspot.com/2011/09/what-nick-clegg-should-say-in-his.htmlDan Falchikovhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10202541499332901648noreply@blogger.com