We all remember the madness of the Ed Stone.
Not so much the image of the Leader of the Opposition standing in a wet and windswept car park next to a giant slab of granite that had to be held up by scaffolding to prevent it crushing poor Ed.
But more the vacuousness of the 'promises' made - vague, impossible to measure, some them actually meaningless.
They haven't learned anything.
Here are the pledges that Labour will stand on in the May Local elections
Now, there's nothing bad there. It's just empty. Which party wouldn't sign up to any of those and pledge to deliver them?
I suppose we should be thankful really. Makes our job easier.